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Hi Mike!
Is this possible at all?
I want to record a piece for a Philharmonic Orchestra; it’s created in Sibelius and now is ready to be recorded in my Technics KN6000 in order for me to export it to Cubase for a final touch. I am facing a big issue here, though and this is it: let’s say I chose an oboe sound but in the original score the oboes are three; or the Violins are 16; the violas – 14 etc. You realize that I don’t have this many tracks available in the Sequencer, thus I need to have (let’s say) one track Violin, but the sound coming from the Violin sound to be the sounds from 16 violins. I hope I managed to get the point to you. Can this be created within the keyboard?
There is a way of doing this in Cubase, but the project will be massive and I am not sure my laptop would be able to handle it. Once I get the SINGLE violin part in the Project, I can then copy it 15 more times; the same with the violas and everything else. It doesn’t sound too appealing, does it?
Let us know what you think, Mike?
Thank you
Posted on February 6, 2015 at 9:49 PM
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Re: KN6000 - One Sound with Multiple instruments
Hi Rosi
I think you have to 'choose your battles' with this one, if you know that saying.
Think about the violins first. Don't try to play 16 violins, you don't have enough hands 
But seriously. For the violins, you use a violin String Ensemble sound, which already sounds like multiple violins. You could add a Violin Solo into the mix too, to hint at the leader of the orchestra, reduce the volume of that one so that it is not too prominent.
Similarly for the Violas, the KN7000 has an ensemble violas sound and I expect it is on the KN6000 (in the Sound Explorer).
For the Oboes, you could choose a couple of ways. You could assign two (or three) sounds to one track but this would use up one Part assignation for each and you only have 16. You could find an appropriate wind ensemble sound. You could take one of the wind ensemble sounds (there is one with flute and oboe) and you could edit the Sound to change the flute Tone to an Oboe Tone, then you would have two or three Oboes in one sound. You could edit your own sound with three Oboes (you would adjust the effects applied to each individual Tone so that it sounds like three separate Oboes) and that would only use one track. Or, you could take the Oboe Sound you like and add a 'Multi' effect to it, which simulates the sound of one instrument as being several.
For a realistic orchestral effect you especially need to edit the panning of each sound so that it emanates from the correct part of the orchestra, where that musician would sit. You do this in the mixer.
I would approach this with a variety of these techniques, carefully planned in advance to fit in my 16 tracks. Because I derive great pleasure from being able to play the results back in the keyboard itself.
My son would tackle this in an entirely different way. He would work on one track at a time in the keyboard without any effects at all. Then record them individually onto his computer and then add any effects, panning etc in his DAW (he uses Protools).
Now, I've made all of that sound complicated and it need not be. This is how I would deal with it:
How many staves does your arrangement have? Hopefully 16 or less. For each stave you can choose a single instrument on the KN6000 to have a track. If you are running out of tracks, I'm sure that you don't have all the instruments playing at the same time, so you could re-use an Oboe track later to add a flute when the Oboe is not playing, for example. But let's try not to do that because it will make things more complex.
Get the tracks into the KN6000 first and then you can start playing them and change the sounds in the mixer whilst they are playing, to see what sounds good. Then you can audition various String Ensembles and you can try different Oboe sounds (etc) whilst applying multi-effects to them etc until they sound as good as they can be.
So, get the tracks in first, worry about the Sounds second and then finally fine-tune the effects.
I'm sure you are doing something more complicated but listen to Ave Maria here and notice how few instruments play at the same time. Easy to make this (and yours) sound more full if you take your time over it - Ave Maria is on the following page, half way down. The page is not on any menus because it was for Christmas - CLICK HERE it uses string ensembles, horn ensembles, woodwind ensembles and so on, there are less than 16 tracks. So notice how one note can sound like many individual instruments playing, don't try to make 16 violins you will end up in tears 
Posted on February 6, 2015 at 11:57 PM
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Re: KN6000 - One Sound with Multiple instruments
A further point:
I would go from Sibelius to Cubase (MIDI). There, you will find that you have far better control over the expression (dynamic volume adjustments are easier in a DAW).
Then take it to KN6000, on floppy, as a MIDI file, import to the sequencer and adjust the instrument sounds I discussed in my earlier post, before converting to audio for the final tweaks.
Posted on February 7, 2015 at 12:15 AM
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Re: KN6000 - One Sound with Multiple instruments
Rosi, I've added an article about Orchestration and Strings that should prove to be useful to you - Orchestration and Strings on Technics keyboards
Posted on February 8, 2015 at 2:45 AM
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